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next on msnbc saturday, the terror tip, new word on a key ally's warning weeks before the cargo bomb attack. it's a beeline of effect against terror. could honey bees debe employed to protect the homeland? also, the what if after the midterms? could the gop have taken the senate as well if there weren't a tea party? and a brawl braced out at one of horse racing's premier events. good morning, everyone. i'm alex witt where it's 9:00 on
the east coast. after a 15-hour plane trip, president obama hit the ground running in india in a busy first day, the president paid tribute to and he even got a few laughs when it came to the benefits and disappoints of democracy. >> only if it can be slow at times, even if it can be messy, even if sometimes the election doesn't turn out as you'd lik like -- >> well, nbc's lee cowen is traveling with the president. tell me about the president's agenda. >> it's a hectic next couple of days. he has three days here in india, then it's off to understand neesh yeah and korea and japan after that before heading home at the end of the next week. all of this is really about a job creation. at least that's how the white
house wants to try and put it. but that is of course the challenge is to be able to translate what is going on here with what's happening back at home. simply put, he says that investing here, especially in india in one of the largest growing markets in the world is simply a job creation strategy. he wants to double, quadruple the number of u.s. exports over the next five years. and the reason, he put it simply in an editorial that he wrote for the "new york times," for every billion dollars that was exported, that would support about 5,000 jobs back home. to thattest, he announced that there were some deals just like that that went in place that involve several u.s. manufacturers, including boeing, general electric, as well, about $10 billion in that deal that would support roughly about 55,000 jobs back home. so that is the message that investing here isn't just some foreign trade issue, that it will have practical effects back home. it's not just all about jobs, however. the first stop here was the stop
at the taj hotel, which is theside site of those devastating terror attacks two years ago where he spoke with india's cooperation with the states. >> the perpetrators wanted to pit believers of different fatal against one another. but they failed. , it is perceived that ind understa -- the diversity of india's strength was on full display. >> in addition to twhab he is meeting with u.s. business leaders, as well. the day is nearly wrapped up here, another busy day, as well, with the first lady and then it's off to delhi, as well, and then indonesia, japan and korea. >> despite traveling with the president, don't take off. we will see you next hour. before he left on his trip, president obama delivered a strong message about jobs and
tax cuts in his weekly address. he's calling on both parties to find common ground. >> it's time to focus our abilities on working together and speeding up those results, speeding up our economic recovery, strengthening job so that the american dream feels like it's back within reach. >> republican leaders are offering up their own plans for the congress. what's first on that list? repealing the health care law. senator elect marco rubio delivered that message today. >> the past two years provided a frightening glimpse of what could become of our great nation if we continue down the current path. wasteful spending, growing debt and a government reaching further into our lives, even into health care decisions. come up in just a little bit, why the tea party might have actually hurt the gop's attempt to win control of the senate. al qaeda in yemen says it was behind the international mail bomb plot last week and
it's taking credit for downing a u.p.s. cargo plane in december. tell us how officials are investigating these claims. >> they are investigating. they are rejecting the suggestion by al qaeda and the arabian peninsula which is what this offshoot about al qaeda if you like to call themselves in yemen. they are rejecting the suggestion that that group were involved in the downing of that plane in september in dubai. they say they think it was a fault. that's what authorities are suggesting. but al qaeda and the arabian peninsula are saying they were responsible for that and they were responsible for the two further cargo bombs that were found. now, we're getting a better picture now of the intelligence that developed before those packages were found. there have been reports of specific intelligence from saudi arabia that led police here in the uk and in dubai to the parcel bombs. now, a u.s. official is apparently saying that the first intelligence was less specific, but still crucial in leading the
authorities to the packages. the tip is said to have come in about three weeks before the foiled attack and did not mention cargo planes or any other details, apparently, but it did allow the authorities here to prepare so that when another, more specific tip arrived from the saudis, prompt action was possible. >> and kier, with regard to the down ee eed u.p.s. plane, it wa understanding that the pilot had reported fire and smoke in the cockpit. is there any discussion about fire and smoke elsewhere in that plane or was it something that started up there in the front? >> there was some suggestion that the fire and smoke was seen in the cargo area of the plane. it was a cargo plane. it was taking off and it downed very quickly afterwards. both the pilot and the copilot were killed. so we only know from the black box and other information from that plane. we're not getting complete details because when it happened, it wasn't reported on very much. it was seen an an accident with
a cargo plane and now this group in the yemen is saying that they were responsible. but also, by the way, alex, reports that they conducted a dry run of some kind before the parcel bombs were found in dubai and in the uk. so this might have been part of that. as i said, officials are rejecting the suggestion that al qaeda and the arabian peninsula were responsible for that particular downed plane. >> clearly a lot more investigating to be done. all right. kier simons, thank you so much. 100 people are under arrest this morning in oakland, california. they were protesting the sentencing of a former transit officer who was convicted of shooting an unarmed man. the judge game mezerle the minimum of two years in prison. the judge said there was overwhelming evidence that the shooting was accidental. >> a small step was made certainly in the prosecution of mr. mezerle. but a giant step was not made as it relates to true justice.
>> the message to the bay area was, of course, that he is so sorry that he took the life of oscar grant. he did not mean to. >> well, mezerle could have been sentenced up to 14 years for the involuntary man slaughter conviction. the defense initially sought probation and plans to appeal the two-year sentence. officials in haiti are fighting devastation this morning. at least four people are dead, two others are missing after tropical storm tomas went through the area. you can see right there, that's no fun bike riding through that. mark potter is live in port-au-prince for us. what are officials saying in terms of the extent of this damage there? >> reporter: good morning, alex. there was certainly some damage and the deaths have been reported. but overall, i must say, eight workers here are saying that hurricane tomas was much less punishing to haiti than they
feared it would be. here in the capital of port-au-prince, the storm came and went. there was some rain last night. but right now, the weather was improving. in fact, we're seeing some patches of blue sky here now. the tent residents, the 1.3 million people living in tents after the earthquake, which everybody was concerned about, were able to ride out that storm fine. there were problems in southwest haiti, particularly in the town of leogane. a town that was at the epicenter of that earthquake ten months ago. they had massive flooding there, some 3,000 people had to be evacuated to safety. towns in that area, jacmel had damage, as well. a town in the north, thousands of people had been killed there before, no one was reported killed this time. assessment teams are going
around to small villages to see if there's any damage there. >> mark, did tomas affected the cholera epidemic and the battle to get that under control? >> it's still to be seen, but there are grave concerns about that. that's a water born disease. people contract it by drinking contaminated water. the concern is that the rain may have spread some of that out as well as other diseases. but right now, they don't know, but that's certainly something that they're monitoring, alex. >> mark potter, thank you so much for port-au-prince. now that the fight of his political life is over, senate majority leader harry reid may have to thank one block in particular for his r survival. plus, a treasure of wealth and honesty. see what happens when a man finds a bag of jewelry. things for the baby. oh, boy... i used our slate card with blueprint. we can design our own plan to avoid interest
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the midterm elections this week, they were booed over the democrats, but they could have been worse. part of that is from a big boost from latinos in severally hotly contested states, particularly nevada and colorado. joining us now to discuss the vote is lisa kumar. good to see you. did you catch up on your sleep this week? >> i'm still trying, but i miss your music this morning. >> i know. we need it to get us going, right? let's mention harry reid who managed to win nevada. do you think the latino vote was visit kal in his favor? >> it was the critical point. a lot of the polls that were being done both on the local and national level failed to look at cell phones. but number one, what happens with harry reid is that yes, he
is a sophisticated ground operation, but angle helped drive the vote to his column. that worked out very anti-immigrant. so what you found for the very first time is latinos not just going to the polls for jobs, but overwhelmingly for solidarity. latinos are not a monolithic group, but this negative attitude, negative ads actually coalesced them under an issue. >> so you're the one who motivated this latino vote? >> no, not me. we had very positive messages saying, you know, we have to talk about our issues, the issues that latinos and americans care about. jobs, jobs, immigration, national security, and we need to talk about health care. and what we try to do is open the conversation so that people felt safe to not only, you know, talk about being disappointed about the anti-immigrant,
anti-latino ads. but we have to remind them that fundamentally they are american and they need to be -- you know, the only way politicians are going to pay attention to them is by going to the polls. >> how about colorado. >> folks forget that obama made colorado purple. and it wasn't solidified purple. but once again, you saw a lot of negative ads, a lot of legislation in colorado that was copycat language for what's happening in arizona. that was, again, very anti-immigrant. and at the end of the day, we made sure that folks were getting informed about the issues that they cared about and trying to mobilize people and say, look, what we care about are jobs, jobs, jobs, but you have to stop blaming the issues on the latino community. and you have to have a really good conversation on immigration. >> let's look at 2008. president obama made immigration reform part of his platform, but little has been done since that. how long do you think he has before he loses latino support? >> i think right now what you
have is you also have boehner coming in and saying that he wants to address immigration. fundamentally for 2012 in order for republicans or democrats to win the white house, they need at least 44% of the latino vote. boehner and obama have a perfect opportunity not perhaps to tackle all of comprehensive im gragsz reform, but pieces. one of the pieces that is very appealing to both republicans and democrats is the dream act. the dream act creates a pathway to citizenship for folks who wants to several in our military and for people who want to go to our colleges. oftentimes when you talk about immigrants, undocumented immigrants, 5 million ooh them are children. they're getting lost in the system. >> how cohesive do you think the latino influence is overall? is there anything that could make it more divided? >> one of the issue is religion. catholics are highly more on the democratic column. they're usually 60 to 40.
but pentecostal latinos are 45 to 45. and in filling the gap where a lot of local communities cannot do so. so that will be an interesting way to start splitting. >> yeah. that will be an interesting thing to look forward to. we don't talk about that much. you brought it to us. thank you, as always. >> thank you, alex. the aerospace firm rolls-royce has taken a massive beating in the stock market after a engine problem on its airlines on thursday and another plane engine caught fire on friday. both planes landed safely. joining us with more on this is peter goelz. peter, welcome back. good morning. >> good morning. you know, this past week would have been disastrous had either of these two things brought those planes down, those two incidents.
you said earlier that they were coincident. they were two completely separate engines. the engine on the airbus, which is the rolls-royce was specially designed for that large aircraft. the engine on the 747 is a different category of engine. it's a trent design. but it's been in service for many years and is very reliable. and the nature of the event in each engine were very much different. so i think investigators are going to be looking at the airbus engine accident much closely -- much more closely than the 747 because there were indications that parts of the engine exited the engine casing. and that is very serious. >> okay. any concerns about the a-380, though, having these kinds of problems after, what, just a
couple years in service? >> well, that is a concern. you know, you've got -- there are probably only 40 aircraft in the air carrying these kinds of engines. this kind of failure, where you appear to have parts that have come out, damaged the wing, perhaps damaged other, you know, controlled components of the aircraft. that is very serious. you know, the aircraft was certified that this would not happen, that this engine would contain this kind of event, that it didn't is very troubling. >> you know, everything about this a-380 airbus is magnificent. and even if my director wants to put up that video again, it looks like this giant city in flight. and i mentioned the last time that i flew on one and when it took off, i was absolutely convinced that it would be heavy and that feeling of pressure and you'd wonder, oh, my heavens, is it going to get off the ground. and the thing was just smooth and took right off. it's almost as if you couldn't even feel the incline.
it is a mag negative sent ship there. but it is so large, there are people who say they don't want to get on one of those because it's just too big. >> it is a spectacular aircraft. and, you know, it can seat up to 800 plus people, one class configuration. in multi class. you have all sorts of options with the use of the space. and the engines that were designed for this by rolls-royce and by another consortium. really have crossed the line in terms of trust and in terms of reliability. so this failure is disturbing and they've got to look at it very carefully and the australians have a very good investigative body. they'll get to the bottom of it. >> okay. peter goelz, good to talk to you again. thank you so much. >> thank you. a new jersey man has learned first hand that it pay toes be honest. he found a backpack alongside the road last week. in that pack pack, $23,000 in cash and jewelry.
well, he managed to reach relatives of the backpack's owners so he could return it to her. >> money comes and goes, but maybe the jewelry, like that, is something that she wants to keep maybe for her kids and grandkids and now she'll be able to do that. >> the woman wa so grateful that she gave him a $1,000 reward. but again, you can't really put a price honesty, can you? a good guy right there. [ male announcer ] for fastidious librarian emily skinner,
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compatible, they're able to use a pay phone. >> well, these phones, of course, will be of great use in the event of a power outage. or if you just so happen to be in one of those dreaded cell phone dead zones. with airfare for thanksgiving travel set to go up this year, heading home for the holidays could hit you hard in the pocketbook. up 11% for domestic flights. aol traveler editor beth joins me live from washington, d.c. >> good morning, alex. >> the average airfare is about $383 nationally. that makes it the second most expensive for travel after 2007. where do you find any deals? >> well, you're not going to find any deals on the airlines. capacity is running about 90%. the airlines have cut back flights in the last couple of years and as you mentioned, the number of people traveling is going up. and all of that makes for pretty harry airline travel this
holiday season. but there are still good deals to be found as you look at cruises, hoteles and resorts. >> what makes cruises a good deal? and also i understand ski resort packages are good deals, too. >> yep. cruise res great because pretty much everything is included. so you can leave your wallet behind as you float from destination to destination. and one great deal that we found was a five-day western caribbean cruise on celebrity cruise lines and it starts at $319 per person for an interior room. and when you think about kind of a five-day cruise, that's actually a pretty good deal. >> that's a great deal. >> and on the ski side, you know, if you -- if white snow kind of is your thing for the holiday season, there's some great key packages. alto lodge in utah is one that we found and for about -- under $2,000, you can get four nights, including most of your meals, dinners and breakfast included and the best part about it is kids eat and sleep free.
so great options on the holidays, as well. >> excellent stuff light there. what about the most economic travel holiday destinations this season? where would you recommend staying once you get there? >> if you're going to a specific location and you have that location in mind, one thing that i would suggest is looking at hotels that typically target business travelers. those hotels will be looking to draw on tourists over the holiday season to fill up their rooms. so you can find some great deals that if you go to downtown deals that target business travelers. >> what about those who want to enjoy their holidays without leaving their homestead? is there anything you can recommend in particular? >> yeah. alex, the same thing there. go to some of the downtown hotels within your city and, you know, i found great deals in atlanta, the hyatt regency in atlanta starting at $79 a night. the palace hotel in san francisco at about $119 a night and that's about 50% off. i found also pretty similar
deals kind of in terms of savings in cities like chicago, new york, and washington, d.c. so that can be a great option to not have to deal with the airlines and kind of waiting in line at the airport and still be able to have a vacation within your city. >> yes, nice, have something else make up the beds. it's all good. okay. >> exactly. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. they sting when they were mean, but could bees become lifesavers in the fight against terrorism? we're going to take a look at that. mom, have you seen my green shirt?
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cargo planes. 20 people are dead after that indonesian volcano rises to life. back in the country, the fdic has closed four more banks, raising the number of bank failures to 143, the most since the savings & loan crisis since two decades ago. tonight is the night to shift your clocks back an hour, the shift to standard eastern time. we are learning more about that mail bomb plot from yemen. the al qaeda claimed responsibility for that plot and claims it was behind the u.p.s. cash in mumbai. >> so far, there is no link between the accident and al qaeda. roger is an nbc news terrorism analyst.
roger, good morning. >> good morning, alex. >> so officials are saying, rog roger, the september accident was likely caused by some sort of an onboard fire. can you put that together with al qaeda's claim that it downed that claim. >> you have to take it seriously when they make a climb like this. i don't think tlg there was any information in that that would point to a similar type of device. what this means is that everybody in dubai and maybe with international help will take a look and see if there are any lengths to what happened there, to what may have happened last week. >> if they had caused it, why wouldn't they have come out and claimed it immediately. do you think it's like they're trying to grab credit for something? >> oh, yes. the broader al qaeda movement
claims credit for everything from natural disasters to acts of god, so i don't think that is surprising. i think you hit a very important point, which is they do not clay climbs of credit. so that is one of the reasons we should believe they probably woernt behind it and they're trying to group it altogether and to send a signal and send a message to the international community. >> you know, we found out, roger, is that the saudi officials alerted the u.s. about these attacks a full three weeks before the mail bomb plot was stopped. what did officials know ahead of time? >> think back to what we knew in september with a threat around europe. we would discussed the potential threat emanating from the peninsula and i think that's what this threat was.
then you get to that imminent reporting, which is it's going to happen now. you have a real specific area to focus on. >> if we have the ability to stop these packages before they were loaded on to planes or is it responsible they said, you know, we're following this, we're going to let this play out for a bit in order to see who we can capture eventually, get more evidence? >> probably not the latter. i think in this case, they had not general information, but not specific enough that would point them in one direction. the intelligence says aqap wants to use planes to conduct an attack. that cuts across a broad swath
of the transportation industry. when they find something credible and imminent, that's what you act upon immediately. that's what you saw happen with the last saudi tip to intelligence. >> despite the lack of explosions, do you think al qaeda sees this as a victory of sorts. >> absolutely. they come out because of the response of the west, because of the overreaction of how they describe it. and bin laden himself as often associated himself with failed attacks by the affiliates. think back to flight 253 over detroit last december. after that failed to explode, bin laden came out shortly thereafter and claimed a tremendous sket success because of all the steps the western response to in response to that failed plot. >> the tsa is launching an investigation after more than 30 flights schools in massachusetts were arrested for being in the country illegally. the tsa banned illegal
immigrants from taking flight lessons after september 11th. but the 34 people who were arrested all received government clearance to take the lessons. >> if you can't get a driver's license, how can you go out and get a pilot's license? but apparently that's what these people thought they were doing. >> immigration officials say there is no link to terrorism at that flight. a motorist from eastern texas has explaining to do after driving into a pet store. the whole incident was caught on tape. he then droech through one entrance of the store and out the other. while the driver was injured and rush to the hospital for treatment, no one in that store, fortunately, was hurt. in connecticut today, the jury will deliberate the fate of a conviblted murderer of a mother and her two daughters. michelle, tell us more about the decision the jury is making. >> well, certainly, it's a tough
decision for the jury to make. they are here on a saturday, alex, and they're starting their second day of deliberations. just went in a short time ago. one of the jurors was a little late this morning. but certainly the jury of seven women and five men will have a difficult task deciding whether or not steven hayes, the man convicted of killing the connecticut mother and her da two daughters should get the dth penalty or life in prison. >> he is the lone survivor in the gruesome triple murder case in connecticut, dr. william pettit shown here walking into the court on the first day of jury deliberations to decide if convicted killer steven hayes should receive the death pelty. his wife, jennifer, and two daughters were murdered inside their cheshire home in 2007, the girls tied to their beds before the house was set ablaze. their mom, sexually assaulted and strangled. >> the deliberations feel like
they're going very slow to us, but i'm sure that in a positive like this, a day is nothing. >> a difficult wait for family and difficult task for the jury, who convicted hayes on 16 of 17 counts in october. of those, the jury is deliberating on six capital felonies that make hayes eligibility for the death penalty or life in prison. murder or two of more persons, murder of a person under 16, murder of a kidnapped person, one count each for jennifer, mikhala and haley and murder of a sexually assaulted person. on each count, members must decide if the mitigating factors, such as hayes mental capacity at the time or if prosecutors spr proven aggrav e aggravating factors beyond a reasonable doubt. on friday, the jury sent two notes to the judge on the definition of unanimous, signal
of a possible split or a sign that the jury is taking its time. >> these are not killers is in the jury room. these are average citizens who we pulled out of the population to make a very, very serious and tough decision. >> hayes testified he and suspected accomplice joshua comarchasheki followed the family home from a store parking lot and returned later at night to rob them. jennifer was sent to the bank to withdraw money. and would be let go if she returned with the money. now, three years later, after losing his family, he is still waiting for justice. >> and while the jury dlbts behind closed doors, inside the courtroom, especially yesterday, the family of victims as well as hayes's brother were talking at certain times of the day and comforting each other. alex, as they wait this out
together. >> okay. michelle, thank you very much. what a story this remains. in the post midterm analysis, there's no doubt the tea party is played the role of spoiler, but to which party's detriment? and what is it about honey bees that could miami them a useful defender in the fight against terrorism? we'll take a look here on msnbc saturday. ings for the baby. ings for the baby. oh, boy... i used our slate card with blueprint. we can design our own plan to avoid interest by paying off diapers and things each month. and for the bigger stuff, we can pay down our balance faster to save money on interest. bigger? bigger. slate from chase gives you extraordinary control over how you pay for life's surprises. trip...lets... slate customers pay down their balances twice as fast with blueprint.
it could be the newest tool in fighting terrorism. bees? well, a new article in the british telegraph says honey bees can be trained to sniff in it any chemical from explosives to narcotics. bees could soon be deployed in war zones and airports. let's get the latest on that article. cal, author of the im comparable honey bee. let's bring it. i'm curious about this story here. there's a prabtal application here? is this for real?
>> absolutely, alex. it's so cool because the bees are going to foil the terrorists and the drug lords and they're going to protect us by sniffing these scents from their antenna. there are 3,000 sensory organs. >> okay. how long does it take to train bees and how, really, do you do this? >> yeah. it takes ten minutes, get this, and we use a drop of sugar. we put the consent in the drop, add a hit of caffeine to sharpen their senses. expose the bees to this for five times and they remember it with a 98% accuracy. and get this, sniffer dogs only hit it at 71% and it takes them three months and thousands of dollars. >> okay. so i'm trying to figure out, how would this be practically applied in an airport? you can't just have bees flying around. how is this going to work? >> nope. exactly right. the three bee res strapped to a piece of plastic and they're put in a shoe box size apparatus.
and the consent is wafted over them. and when the bee detects its consent, it sticks out its tongue as though it's reaching for the nectar. it's full proof. >> okay. so you would put these bees what, i guess, near suitcases, cargo? i mean, really? that's how you would do this? >> absolutely. just like they run the sniffer dogs through customs and down in the holes, this is what they'll do with the bees and it's very, very cost efficient and highly accurate. >> i want to bring up some pictures apparently that we have on the sniffer bees being used in glass diagnostic tools in the uk in these medical offices. what's going on here? >> well, so also we can use them to detect skin and lung cancer, tuberculosis, monitor fertility
cycles and confirm pregnancy. so the patient breathes into the apparatus. and when the bee detickets the consent, it rushes towards the opening. if the bees are undisturbed and stay away, obviously, the confirmation isn't there and it's inexpensive and it's great, alex. >> well, i mean, reese, this all sounds too good to be true. is there any place where this is being used in the fight against terror? >> we're beginning to -- we're beginning to roll it out. security reasons, i can't divulge things right now, but oh, boy, this is really exciting. but here is the caveat, alex, seriously. we're using 5 billion pounds of pesticides each year and neo-nictanoids in particular and they're wiping the bees off the face of the earth. so we have to get serious and protect or benoevlent friends.
>> your enthusiasm, reese, i have to believe you. when we first read about this story that was attributed to you, i thought, no way. but you know, you're making some good points. we'll be watching. thanks, reese halter. >> thank you. in a moment, the rough and tumble world of horse racing. a [ male announcer ] for fastidious librarian emily skinner, each day was fueled by thorough preparation for events to come. well somewhere along the way, emily went right on living. but you see, with the help of her raymond james financial advisor, she had planned for every eventuality. which meant she continued to have the means to live on... even at the ripe old age of 187. life well planned. see what a raymond james advisor can do for you. [ commearlier, she hady vonn! an all-over achy cold... what's her advantage? it's speedy alka-seltzer!
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when calvin -- and now we have a fight ensuing. >> calvin borel and javier ca castellano are fighting in the winner's circle. >> not a typical scene there in the winner's circle. there's a lot of fight left left in those jockeys. calvin borel getting in a scrape with another rider after the breeders cup race.
borel conceding that castellano made an illegal move on the truck that endangered other jockeys and may have cost him the race. later borel said he apologized to castellano and they have patched things up. the daily beast suggests the tea party probably cost republicans control of the senate. washington correspondent with the daily beast joins me live. good morning. >> good morning. >> so you're saying exactly that. tea party candidates spoiled an even larger victory for the gop. what's behind that theory? >> it's looking at a fee key senate races where it seems that a tea party senate nominee really underperformed both the mainstream republican governor and their expectations in the polling. the biggest example is nevada where republican were really excited about the chance to take out harry reid, a longtime target. but sharron angle, largely because of her tea party
connections and her perception as sort of a fringe candidate ended up losing by a significant margin. >> is there a general consensus out there in these few days after the election that another republican candidate would have beaten harry reid? >> based on the polling before sharron angle won the nomination, it seems that way. harry reid was pulling down consistently double digits. >> is this the problem that many of these tea party types were able to drive voters to the polls but didn't have support in the general election. christine o'donnell, ken buck in colorado as well? >> it's certainly the case. bear in mind that a lot of those primaries were very low turnout affairs. often the most enthused kind of activists will get to the polls. tea party activists say a few races wasn't the point. about making the broader party more conservative.
>> the republican party going forward, is there going to be a tremendous split given that we have the tea party, we have the republicans, you have conservatives and the more moderates. how fractured is the state of this party right now? >> well, it's to some degree stylistic. the new congress is pretty united right now on this goal of more tax cuts, which is the thing that always keeps the disparate groups of the republicans together. unclear until they get into a really specific legislative fight how much division there is between these groups. >> how about marco rubio? he won. >> yeah, he was an example of a real success story. it should be noted that in many ways he was a very conventional politician compared to some of the tea party candidates. he was the speaker of the florida house. >> indeed. well, that's true. thanks so much. >> thanks so much for having me. so kids will do the darnedest things. but what about the parents who videotape their children fighting and put that on facebook?
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